What is your opinion about building a Fence to prevent Illegal Immigration?

In order to dispel misunderstandings, untruths and down right lies, those of us who want progressive immigration reform run the risk of being labeled "Pro-Illegals" by certain folks who are misinformed. TO BE SURE I AM AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION but WHAT ABOUT REFORM? How can they become legal? Some folks in the U.S. lack the curiosity to find, intelligence to understand and open-mindedness to accept the truth about this complex issue therefore become a roadblock to productive reform. Perhaps it is just easier to have a "black and white" answer in this world of gray, namely a Fence. Meanwhile the "illegals" are floating our Social Security system to the tune of half a trillion dollars and directly contributing over $12 billion a year to SS, federal, and state taxes. And yet because some illegals make money "under-the-table" by collecting aluminum cans and taking odd jobs the myth thrives that illegals do not pay taxes when the truth is that most of them do. Give me you opinions.

What is your opinion about building a Fence to prevent Illegal Immigration?
First, I want to thank you for your intelligence, and how you posted this sensitive question.


I think, this fence is just a psychological parade from your government, like the way they manipulate you with the words "Here they come the terrists!, quick, give me your freedom"


This fence is not even going to stop illegal immigration, and you are being ridiculed by everybody in the rest of the world.


The only thing that could stop immigration would be fair commercial trades with Latin-American.


Make this hard workers pay taxes; give them the condition of human beings for heaven sake.





This people have NOTHING to lose, can you understand this? Hunger I am talking. Food for their families.


Can you remotely picture this?


Were were is your heart USA





Why do you always have to solve things with violence? Who educates you? Guns, and bombs? This speach you have its really turning more and more fascist everyday, why do you hate so much?
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Reply:I think it's a joke and a shame.love ya
Reply:YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!! Its about time to do a fence.
Reply:My only problem with the wall is that it does not stretch from sea to shining sea.





The illegals take far more from this country than they contribute. Where do you get your facts? The illegals are responsible for 1/2 trillion into our Social Security? PLEASE state your source. I really need a good laugh today.





Check out my first source below. It says that illegals cost just the state of Florida $3.3 BILLION per year.





Really, look for some facts, not just wild ideas that pop into your head.
Reply:Any thing that is illegal one way or the other hurt our way of life and our economy. The illegal aliens that come here and stay in our country are the poorest of their country and the majority of them come sick with sicknesses like tuberculosis, malaria, malnutrition, etc. and guess who have to run with their medical bills, the American people. Another thing when they get hired by a company the company pay them very little money and because of their illegal condition do not pay income taxes, they get more out of the system that what they put in. Also the money that they earned are send back to their country and that drain our economy and help their country, not the USA. Imagine if all those 12 million of illegal aliens become legal resident, then they could send for all of their family and our problem will be worse. The only people that benefits from illegals here in the USA is tha illegal aliens, the country they come from and the corporation that hire them. The American middle class and our economy are the one that have to pay for them. That's not fair!
Reply:A good fence might, in combination with more sweeping immigration reform, be a deterrent.





On the other hand, if it were me needing to cross the border to make a better life for myself and/or my family, and I were too poor to go the legal route, I'd find a way, fence or not.
Reply:The only fence that would work would be the BIG RED ONE on the border with their guns facing south.


The 7 Fleet in the Gulf, guns facing west.


They have invaded us with their Governments approval.


We ether stop them now or roll over as they will soon take over our Government. And that is their plan, ether by votes or in the near future by force.
Reply:Who cares how they can become legal! They broke the 1st law, to me that's an indication they will break more if necessary to get what they want.





In my opinion the fence should be electric and have razor wire wrapped all the way around it.





Perhaps you don't realize al Qaeda has already used our lax borders to smuggle into the USA.





If the pipe leaks fix it. If the entire plumbing system needs to be fixed then patch the leak first then work on the new system. Is that so hard to understand?
Reply:i think the wall is a great way to distract from the fact that the republicans have been allowing this flood of immigrants in in order to drive down our wages. I think the wall is a great way to distract from the fact that we are engaged in the mass murder of innocent people in a war we started based on lies. I think the wall is a great way to distract from bush's draining our treasury and giving it to his friends.





I think the wall is a great way to look more like East Germany...
Reply:Ideally the Mexican government would be more intent in building a country the citizens are proud of and don't want to leave. In reality, the Mexican government seems more intent in exporting citizens and having them send money home to Mexico. The Mexican government doesn't seem near as concerned about the welfare of their citizens as the most anti-immigration American is. That is sad.
Reply:I see...so I asume you are claiming you are INFORMED?





Not sure where you are getting the numbers that illegals are "floating" the SS system.....please provide a link for that is possible.





Fine...I am sure they(illegals) are providing some money(taxes and such)....but you also need to balance that with the drain from our education system....and our health care system and so on.








If they are illegal....how are the paying SS?....on a stolen SS card?...if they are illegal they wouldn't have a SS number.








IMO the fence is a waste of money.
Reply:Buddy is right. You would need a fence at either end of your country. A tad expensive and Mythbusters have just about proven that we could catapult Canadians over the fence. Of course, the dangerous Canadians are much worse than your homegrown terrorists. Well, in Canada, we are also not as well off as you are. So, I might have to go by catapult to visit your country and I am pretty harmless.





What ARE you going to do with the world's longest undefended border and our co-opting of the "give me your huddled masses" (probably an incorrect quote) philosophy or our multi-cultural, refugee and immigrant-friendly country?
Reply:I've known Mexicans that have come across the border legally, left their families for a little while so they could make enough LEGAL money over here to bring their family in the US, and they've worked hard to make a life here, did it the right way, and are now good citizens. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS! I've been to Mexico, and to be honest, I wouldn't blame one soul for wanting to come to America. However, my problem is illegal immigration, which I think most of you would agree with. A fence is a good idea in my opinion. About reform, I'm not too sure. I'm not an expert in government, but I don't believe illegal immigrants should be allowed to go without car insurance, legal drivers license, etc. I know the government doesn't directly, openly support that idea, but they must do something about it if they are to be directly and openly AGAINST it. And as a P.S., I think (especially illegal) immigrants should have to learn OUR language for OUR country if they're gonna take advantage of OUR land and culture. It should be noted that I'm not against Hispanics or any other race. I'm only against illegal immigration. It's not fair that me, a 17 year old, should pay taxes out of my paycheck to support, directly or indirectly, illegal immigrants.
Reply:INS came to a small town in Stillmore Georgia arrested 200 chicken plant workers. Town became ghost town, shut down plant, plant forced to raise wages Americans, showed up for jobs, looks like town will thrive again.
Reply:illegals are going to build the fence anyway.
Reply:The fence is an expensive dumb idea. The US looks idiotic to the rest of the world. Immigrants will not be deterred by any amount of fence and the cost is ridiculous.
Reply:US citizens who care about people, don't want illegals here contributing to some things, benefiting from some things, doing only some jobs, involved in some parts of the system, not involved in some other parts of the system...


Listen, US immigration law was passed to ensure yearly immigration, gradually grow the population and the economy. With illegals coming by the millions, the economy cannot keep up and create millions of new jobs every year. The schools are over crowded, new schools cannot be built fast enough. Crimes committed by illegals continues to increase. What would happen if the illegal population outnumbered the legal?


You are mistaken about the illegals floating our SS, baby boomers have been contributing/creating a surplus. More people are currently putting in, than the number taking out. The surplus is being taken, every year, by the government to fund "other" stuff.





We do need immigration reform, but we should not reward all illegals just because some illegals are contributing. People wanting to come here, should want to follow the legal process, so they can participate in everything here. Coming "just to work", but also "live, have kids, etc" is not fair.





The USA is not a buffet, you can't take what you like and leave what you don't, it's all or nothing. We don't want people to come illegally, then resent US because we won't give them amnesty.





How many illegals, first try to legally immigrate?
Reply:Quick, stop the bleeding from your heart! The problem with illegals is, in today's environment, you are NOT just getting people looking for a better living. I don't want a fence. They just climb over it. A field of land mines would be better. Isn't it strange that the former Soviet Union had to build a wall to keep people in, while the US has to build one to keep them out?
Reply:I fell asleep through some of your question but to answer the question, it costs an illegal more to come here than if they went through the legal aspect, its not we are against immigration (thats how many of us began) but just because your not patient enough to save up for that new x box, so lets steal it but hey no consequences should follow me for stealing even though its wrong....I dont worry about illegals stealing my job or my healthcare, what concerns me is that people willing to break laws once are not far from breaking laws again......So for that reason, the fences should be armed to the teeth with cameras and electricity and should be boroughed several yards below the ground since tunnels are just as common as coming over ground....
Reply:build the fence now before THEY dominate your country...
Reply:Not fence, maybe something like the "Berlin Wall or "The Great Wall of China".
Reply:if china built a wall 3,000 years ago,cant we do it in six months?look at georgia coming back to life with higher wages after border patrol cleaned house
Reply:It wouldn't work. They would just go around or catapult themselves over.
Reply:We do not do not need a fence. We need a steel wall, turrets and machine guns.
Reply:I think a fence will work for those coming from Mexico and Central America...but it doesn't address the greater threat of the Canadian Border...which could be passed by much more dangerous people from terrorist organizations. They are the ones I'm the most worried about getting into the US.
Reply:that is stupid, who would waist there time puting up a fence when all you need is a watch tower with snipers. and if you people are that desparate to keep an illigal free america (and im not saying thats bad or im siding with illigals or anything becuase i dont like illigal immigration) then why dont you put up a bigger defense and make the legal proccess shorter.
Reply:There is a fence there now isn't there? And Mexican's dig tunnels and keep coming!





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Reply:good fences make great neighbors ;o)
Reply:I don't believe all your "numbers' I live in Arizona and most if not all the illegals working here DO NOT PAY into Social Security.they are paid CASH and on a daily basis's..If a wall/fence is any kind of deterrent then I'm glad its going to built.Bush will sign that bill into law today..








Heres the report you are talking about,read it all not what parts you liked.





The cost of illegal aliens to the federal, state and local governments was about $33 billion. This impact was partially offset by an estimated $12.6 billion in taxes paid to the federal, state and local governments, resulting in a net cost to the American taxpayer of about $20 billion every year. This estimate did not include indirect costs that result from unemployment payments to Americans who lost their jobs to illegal aliens willing to work for lower wages. Nor did it include lost tax collections from those American workers who became unemployed. The study estimated those indirect costs from illegal immigration at an additional $4.3 billion annually.





During the years since that estimate, the illegal alien population is estimated to have roughly doubled, so the estimated fiscal costs also will have at least doubled. Furthermore, the passage of time is accompanied by inflation in the costs of services, e.g., school budgets continue to climb. Therefore, what was estimated to be a cost to the American taxpayer of $33 billion in 1996 today would be at least $70 billion. Similarly, tax collections would have increased — sales taxes at least — so that the net expense to the taxpayer from illegal immigration would currently be at least $45 billion. The indirect fiscal costs would have also increased, especially during a period of already high unemployment, to perhaps and additional $10 billion annually.
Reply:Many of them work jobs that "Americans" would refuse to work for the same pay.





I am a retail manager, and I have people come in all the time that are unemployed looking for work. It's funny, because they tell you how desperate they are for a job, but when you offer then $7 to run a register, they either turn it down, or can't seem to show up on time for work.





I say we go the national sales tax rout, then EVERYONE is paying taxes. Then, let's ship the lazy citizens that are refusing to work and draining our welfare system over to Mexico, and we'll keep the hard working immigrants.
Reply:As Patton said, "A fixed fortification is a monument to human stupidity," and that fences is a fixed fortification.